Shallowness is a weakness

I think everything that was discussed was perfectly logical and well thought out. As far as speaking My mind goes I say what I think after I have considered all that has been said because I believe it to be illogical to speak without knowing all the relevant facts of a matter regardless of who is or isn't present. I listened, I considered, I formed an opinion and I spoke it. I said nothing then that I would not say now. I believe that what was discussed will work if given time and dedication.

It's going to take time, effort, and dedicated people to make it happen but it can work. I know this for a fact because it works very well for My Home and the related Group. The main thing as I see it is the need to assemble an experienced team of knowledgeable people with strong values and dedication to something beyond themselves who are willing to put aside their personal likes or dislikes in order to build a substantial foundation which can stand on its own so that it becomes self sufficient

beyond just the presence of one or two key people. Things should run smoothly and consistently with or without a Host present to control it. People should know what's expected and stay within those guidelines already established by the Books, in My humble opinion. That's how it's done in the Gorean Frontier and it works for Us, so logically I see no reason it wouldn't work elsewhere. I hope it does work elsewhere, we truly need more functional Homes with more than two people at any given time.

In the end, it all boils down to people making a decision to be a part of something, getting involved and coming into roleplay. That's what makes or breaks the deal, people agreeing to set aside their differences to work toward a common goal, or not.

Haigen, we're glad what we discussed works for your home.
Now how 'bout you come out of your home, bring those ideas with you, and help make it work role play wide?
Last night was a good start, so be one of those people to make it work.

I've been around a long time now and based on My experience with several Homes that numerous other people have supported and freely opened up to all of Gor for this exact reason over the years and having seen very little positive response to those efforts I no longer believe that Gor will be reunified. I believe that people will continue to talk about it without ever committing to actually doing it by entering role play with open minds being set on making progress for Gor as a whole.

I have no issue with supporting a good cause but I have seen nothing in several years now that would make Me think that any one Home is better than another. The people make the Home, not vice versa; nor does a Home build itself, its Citizens build it block by block together. What I see is a very divided population of Goreans that cannot or will not even agree to put aside the past for the sake of the future. The past being sacred is one of the very cornerstones of online Gorean Society.

I fully support the idea of one room for all of Gor, I have for years now. However in the same vein that You ask Me why do I not come out from My home for this, I now ask You why You do not enter Mine for it?

“ Listens to everyone since I’m not active at said moment “

I rarely jump in someone else's blog, but this is something a group is discussing, and I think I can add some fuel to the fire.

The point of a "one room for everyone to meet" is to get everyone out of their own, and into one not owned by anyone, or at least controlled by loose rules agreed on by a majority of the visitors. Why should we go to *your* home, Haigain, knowing this? Or anyone else's?

Everyone has something they dislike about everyone else's home. I'm sure some could name a few about yours. I can, but what'd be the point, there'd be no change after pointing them out. A room for all to visit though, would negate just about all those unnecessary hangups of dislikes about random homes. This isn't about you, except for now, where it's *at* you instead.

I was considering opening Brundisium again, just for this purpose. Will see what I can do. Will be an unpaid room.

"one Home not owned by anyone" is impossible, there's always an Owner. The One Home thing has been tried before multiple times by multiple people, it hasn't worked so far because it has never been embraced, that's exactly why there are multiple Homes now. It isn't like this option has been made available before, THE number one most popular blog on Buzzen is about this very thing from years ago when Helisto proposed it then opened Brundisium for this exact purpose. Has something changed now? No.

I also did this exact same thing a year ago with the room "GOR." Same concept, same rules, same lack of support. I truly hope it works one day because in theory, it's a great idea, however in reality what it boils down to is "who is willing to support whom? Who trusts whom? Who tolerates whom? Who agrees with whom's roleplay? Who agrees with whom's judgment?" In the end, Gor has cliques and to deny that makes one either a fool or a liar. Homes are cliques of like minded people, that's reality.

Clique, a small group of people, with shared interests or other features in common, who spend time together and do not readily allow others to join them.....See that? That's the definition of a clique and Gor both, right there.

Worked a long time ago, though I can't claim credit for it. It's possible, I've seen it, experienced it. You don't have to live there if you don't want to, it's not meant to be a permanent home but a place for multiple people to interact and mingle, and eventually, go home.

As for cliques, yes, i agree. But why are people we don't know occasionally referred to as "Stranger"? Gor book cities were the same way. Shun the outsider, kill if necessary. People are inadvertently Gorean.

I told someone in Skype not too long ago that if you have to write down your ethics if you aren't sure about them, you don't have any. People already know how to act, and if they don't like someone who's there already, they can suck it up and move on, out, or to another part of the city, or wherever they are, Gor's pretty big. I'm not insisting everyone participate but it'd be nice if people did. Make a generally agreed set of acceptable rules...which is pretty much every home's rules.

After that you state what's there, what's possible to be there, and leave it to the people to make their own stories. If they want to make something not listed, it can get brought up in a meeting, decided, and yes'd or no'd. Civil disputes, same way. Probably fines or work, which would hurt feelings..."I'm ALWAYS RIGHT, I'M ME!", but it's still rp, and if they're tougher than the average whiner, they'll be the better for it.
The possibilities are almost endless. There can be a lot of good.

I’m not sure when online or book Gor was ever unified. In my 10-11 years in RP Gor I have never seen it where Gor was unified and everyone got along. Sure we had various cities/camps ( I refuse to use “homes”. To BDSM) or whatever that were friends, but not everyone. We also don’t like each other much I don’t think. There are some blogs I read and wonder to myself how some people here are let online unsupervised. I’m sure I’m not everyone’s favorite person either (as hard as that is to believe),

but so be it. I’ll kick in and give this a chance there’s a lot to lose, but more to gain.

We already have a set of agreed upon rules.....

There’s that too.

Ain’t this the same age old musings? If half the people that posted in the blogs in general made it into role play lasting longer than a hello how’s your father, Gor in general would be a busier place to encourage new people in. If people, again in general, lost the hatred and embraced our differences it might just be fun...weird thought I know but heh, give it a go you never know you might enjoy it.

I'm not sure why this is seemingly such a difficult concept to comprehend. Look at the list of rooms that have people in, click in one, roleplay. Either stay or leave, understand the nuanaces of the home you are in and accept you are responsible for your own actions. It is that simple.

I think a lot of it depends on who owns the room(s) and the people that hang out in them. That's a big reason that I wont go so some rooms. I don't think some people here are worth it to spend the time with and lets be honest: lots of the Gor here isn't Gor.

So then open Your own Home and enjoy your version of Gor there? Seems reasonable to me....just saying.

We had that in Asperiche; a city that was Gor. Besides, there are to many rooms here that don't get much play. To many to be honest. I'm not going to delude myself into thinking that I'd have a 20 person room. Those days are long past.

I agree "those" days are long past but "future" days are still to come. Surely building a Home with the reputation of good Gor would bring new and curious people into play? If we don't offer them a place to learn, hey will forever remain in the dark about Gor. I'm not saying for one minute things will be the same, even I'm not that deluded and take it from me, deluded and I are on first name terms, that it will ever be the numbers it was back in MSM but we owe it to Rowan et to at least "try".

There isn't a right or wrong in this, ideas are ideas... Im just putting mine out there..

Due to health I haven't been around as much as normal but when on good days I commit to opening the Lair and yes, some days I sit there without seeing a single person, other days 5/6 people pop in and its a good fun day...

When is the last time a 'new' person has been to a Gor room? Has its been said; most everyone is a retread if they are here. The last unknown name I have seen has been reya. You're absolutely correct; it'll never be like it was. I know that, but settling just to RP isn't the answer either. Say hello to deluded for me when you see her next if you would.

This isn't about Gor or roleplay, it's about "who is in charge", " who recognizes whom" and "which rules to use." It always has been and will be. There will always be cliques in Gor and the people in them are never going to care what the people who aren't think or have to say. All of us have been here long enough to know each other and we've already decided whom we think is or isn't "worthy" or a "real" Gorean. None of us are likely to change our minds about what experience has taught us

Auralee, great point about "building a home..for good Gor" This is the intent of the Trading Post. A place where the veterans can all gather and attract new people and try to get them on the right path. It will be a struggle, but I agree to at least try.

The arguments will be about who is a veteran and who’s Gor is “real” Gor.

All paths, even the straight and narrow ones, go in two opposite directions. Who is to say which is the right one? Isn't that really a matter of perspective? Wouldn't it depend more on where you're going and less on where you've already been?

Reya is a retread she was owned by me under the name pazia in gcn, then went to VKI

Still haven’t heard any new ideas from you Haigan (or anyone else for that matter). You only tout that you’re using Rowan’s “unaltered” rules which I’ll add have been around longer than either you or I have been in RP. So, you say move forward yada, yada, yada yet you’re using combat rules created years and tears ago.

From another thread: I don't see any reason to reinvent the wheel. The commonly accepted rule of roleplay have been in effect for quite some time now, and needs us to reinforce them. Feel free to suggest a change......but for me, I'm satisfied with they way they are now. Roleplay went south because "you don't pay for my internet so I can do what I want" with no consequence, and even then, their rooms became more D/s chat than Gorean roleplay.

It’s easy to adhere to “whatever rules” on the internet. Meanwhile those of us who are happy with the rules we’ve adhered to for years and years are dinosaurs.

People wont adhere to rules that don't suit them. Who is in charge is a issue because there are those that just want to lead a home and be the boss, its their way or nothing. The idea fr the "Trading Post" was to have a panel of 3 , 1 Judge and 2 advisors, and any incidents, were taken to the Court for clarification. No One person is the Boss. Common Gor Law rules, and the rules or rp that have been used for years are what its run by, not the bullshit gor we see now.

I’ll be an advisor. I’m an Ubar maker, not an Ubar.

Can you make a poor, humble guy like myself an Ubar, Thiery? It's one of the few things I haven't tried yet.

And I was around for Rowan's rules, and the drama that followed after. I miss that old geezer. Good man.

Taking out all the fighting about who can rule the "world" it all comes down to participation. You don't have to like everybody or follow every elses rules, you just need to participate and enjoy, that is what is missing. If you look at how many people are currently participating then add all those who sit in messages and don't actually step into roleplay, there is enough to create a decent roleplay thread for people to enjoy....1 person, 1 act of kindness to inspire others and create change"

"you just need to participate and enjoy"...…..that's precisely the point.

I’ve heard complaints it’s never open lol

It’s always open. It doesn’t need certain people or a set number of people in it to be accessible. It’s open now. If it shows 0 visitors, be the 1. Maybe others will enter after that.